{"id":4578,"date":"2018-01-28T17:56:32","date_gmt":"2018-01-28T16:56:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/?p=4578"},"modified":"2025-10-16T14:13:40","modified_gmt":"2025-10-16T13:13:40","slug":"help-wanted-adding-a-shutter-to-a-115-year-old-camera","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/?p=4578","title":{"rendered":"Help Wanted:  Adding a Shutter to a 115-Year-Old Camera"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I picked up this old camera and I want to make it work.\u00a0 It&#8217;s hidden inside a nondescript, beat-up box, which happens to be made of mahogany and covered with cowhide.\u00a0 But after 115 years, it looks like this:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0143.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-4579\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0143.jpg?resize=600%2C573&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"573\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0143.jpg?resize=600%2C573&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0143.jpg?resize=300%2C287&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0143.jpg?resize=768%2C734&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0143.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a>When you open it up, there&#8217;s this magnificent specimen of 1902 technology, brass and red leather, polished mahogany, and a little knurled knob that operates a pinion to telescope the camera&#8217;s triple bed out to its full length (dog bowl left in the background for scale):<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0145.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-4580\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0145.jpg?resize=600%2C368&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"368\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0145.jpg?resize=600%2C368&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0145.jpg?resize=300%2C184&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0145.jpg?resize=768%2C471&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0145.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0145.jpg?w=3000&amp;ssl=1 3000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.historiccamera.com\/cgi-bin\/librarium2\/pm.cgi?action=app_display&amp;app=datasheet&amp;app_id=1176\">Century Grand<\/a>.\u00a0 Or maybe a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.historiccamera.com\/cgi-bin\/librarium2\/pm.cgi?action=app_display&amp;app=datasheet&amp;app_id=1176\">Century Grand Special<\/a> &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to know for sure, since the two cameras were very similar, and this one is missing the viewfinder, and its lens and shutter have been replaced with a 7.5 inch, Ilex f\/4.5 Paragon Anastigmat, which appears to have been manufactured from the 19-teens for several decades following.<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.historiccamera.com\/cgi-bin\/librarium\/pm.cgi?action=display&amp;login=century\">Century Camera Company<\/a> was started in 1900 (gee, I wonder how they came up with the name) and acquired by Eastman in 1903.\u00a0 It appears that they manufactured these grands for a number of years, but by 1904, the sides of the bed were lined with brass plates, rather than the scalloped wood edge you see above &#8211; so that puts this one around somewhere at 1902-1903.\u00a0 \u00a0I also found a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.piercevaubel.com\/cam\/catalogs\/1904centurylp273.htm\">1904 Century catalog<\/a> that talks about &#8220;an entirely new feature for hand cameras&#8221; &#8211; a rotating back &#8211; i.e. the part where you put the 5-by-7 inch sheet film can be rotated from portrait to landscape, and the addition of a mirror so the image on the ground glass (where you focus) is right side up.\u00a0 My camera has a back that pops off and can be snapped back in a different orientation, and no mirror.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m disappointed by the missing viewfinder, but I&#8217;m amazed that, as much leather as is involved, the bellows are still intact.\u00a0 It&#8217;s possible the bellows are not original either &#8211; the brass loops about 2\/3 back connect to metal hooks screwed into the side of the lens holder, instead of pegs at the top and bottom like in the photos I&#8217;ve seen.\u00a0 Still, it would be great to make it work again!<\/p>\n<p>So here&#8217;s the problem.\u00a0 The guy who sold it to me (it was a Facebook post on a film camera group) implied he had taken pictures with it, and suggested ISO 400 Bergger 5&#215;7 sheet film, which is nearly 60 bucks for a box of 25.\u00a0 So I order that, and I wait for the camera to arrive.\u00a0 I&#8217;m ecstatic when it does, and everything seems to be intact, but I notice the lens has aperture markings, but hey &#8211; wait &#8211; where are the shutter speed indicators?\u00a0 Hey, there&#8217;s no shutter!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0146.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-4581\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0146.jpg?resize=600%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0146.jpg?resize=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0146.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0146.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0146.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0146.jpg?w=3000&amp;ssl=1 3000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a>So I contact the guy on Facebook and he&#8217;s all, &#8220;Yeah, barrel lenses don&#8217;t come with shutters.\u00a0 Back then, film speeds were slow, and you just take a picture by taking the lens cap off for like a second.&#8221;\u00a0 But I&#8217;m like, &#8220;So WHY would you suggest 400 speed film??&#8221;\u00a0 Back in the day you could get super slow film and this method would work.\u00a0 He suggests an ND filter, and I ask to see some specific photos he&#8217;s taken with this camera (all he did was point me to his website), and then radio silence.<\/p>\n<p>Fortunately there&#8217;s Google, however.\u00a0 I discover that barrel lenses, in fact, DO go into shutters.\u00a0 A bit of research looking at Ilex lenses and I conclude that I need a <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20170123202942\/http:\/\/cameraeccentric.com\/html\/info\/ilex_2.html\">Universal or Acme No. 3<\/a> made by the same company &#8211; and I score one on eBay for $38.\u00a0 It works like a charm and I show my colleagues at work what a wonderful clicking sound it makes every time I operate the shutter.\u00a0 It&#8217;s exactly the same diameter as my lens.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0148.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-4582\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0148.jpg?resize=600%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0148.jpg?resize=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0148.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0148.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0148.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0148.jpg?w=3000&amp;ssl=1 3000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>So now for my problem.\u00a0 Both the shutter and the lens are made of pieces that seem to unscrew from each other &#8211; I&#8217;ve not managed to decode everything (the aperture parts, for instance).\u00a0 It should be possible to unscrew everything and then put the lens into the shutter &#8211; but I&#8217;m not clear where everything should go.\u00a0 I think the shutter leaves should stay behind the aperture parts and it ought to be very simple &#8211; but it would be helpful if I could find someone who has done this before.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0149.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-4583\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0149.jpg?resize=600%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0149.jpg?resize=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0149.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0149.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0149.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/IMG_0149.jpg?w=3000&amp;ssl=1 3000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a guy, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.skgrimes.com\/lens-mounting\/front-mount\">SK Grimes<\/a>, who would do it for money, but I&#8217;m not quite there yet (even if I could find a dependable way to ship the parts from Madagascar.\u00a0 And a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.angusparkerphoto.com\/blog\/2017\/2\/how-to-put-a-barrel-lens-in-a-shutter\">great blog post<\/a> that describes similar situations also offers suggestions (especially if I hadn&#8217;t already bought the 400-speed film!).\u00a0 But I&#8217;d really like to make this work!\u00a0 Any help appreciated.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I picked up this old camera and I want to make it work.\u00a0 It&#8217;s hidden inside a nondescript, beat-up box, which happens to be made of mahogany and covered with cowhide.\u00a0 But after 115 years, it looks like this: When you open it up, there&#8217;s this magnificent specimen of 1902 technology, brass and red leather, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[803],"tags":[1968,1966,1970,1963,1897,1965,1964,1971,1967,1969],"class_list":["post-4578","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-vintage-cameras","tag-7-5-inch","tag-anastigmat","tag-barrel-lens","tag-century","tag-grand","tag-ilex","tag-large-format","tag-mounting","tag-paragon","tag-shutter"],"acf":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4578","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=4578"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4578\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4584,"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4578\/revisions\/4584"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=4578"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=4578"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tazmpictures.com\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=4578"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}